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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 14:08:16 GMT
Thought I'd briefly introduce my case for the auction format and open it up to discussion.Once again not 100% married to this format but it is a strong preference of mine.
Bearing in mind that snake is simpler and slow draft makes it easier from a time commitment standpoint.
Auction live draft:
1. Is a great way to kick things off in a committed league. You get to B.S. with the other owners for a few hours, everyone gets to know one another and generally I think it gets things off on the right foot
2. $ valuations are fun. Adds an additional element of strategy as you determine what categories are worth it to which owners. You get a little of this in snake but its much more pronounced in auction.
3. You can get your guy (if your willing to pay). This allows you to build the team how you want within the confines of your budget and doesn't pigeon hole you into a randomized draft order.
4. Gives more of a general manager feel. Especially in baseball though I'd be more open to snake in other sports for baseball you get that true "money ball" feel of getting the most for your money
5. Auction lends itself well to contract play which in dynasty is a nice way to keep the available player pool fresh and liven up trade discussion. You don't just get the player you also get his contract.
I could probably keep going but I think overall there's no doubt that auction can add layers of complexity but for me that's also added layers of strategy and general fun. You need a dedicated group to do this right but in my mind that's the point of the dynasty format.
Looking forward to everyone's opinion!
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Post by Chicago GM (bhappy1) on Feb 16, 2016 15:15:33 GMT
I agree with the above. auction I feel is the best way to go .you can pick the players you want has long has .you are willing to pay the price.where as snake you just get who ever falls to u
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Post by Milwaukee GM (Souriyo) on Feb 16, 2016 18:21:07 GMT
I personally prefer snake because that's what I've always done but I would not be opposed to doing a live auction draft if everyone is in favor of that. I agree it adds more complexity. My issue would be getting everyone organized for what would be a 4 or 5 hour affair at least. We've got a couple people from new Zealand as well which is something we have to consider. If we were in the same city and could actually all get together and do this I would have no reservations. I'll leave it up to discussion though.
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Post by Toronto GM (Kyle) on Feb 16, 2016 19:07:19 GMT
I'm not against that type of draft but I agree with commish that it would be harder to organize everyone for that. I would prefer the snake myself
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Post by Dallas GM (naked) on Feb 16, 2016 21:08:09 GMT
I'm not against the idea of an auction draft. I think many of the points OP makes, especially #3, are very enticing. However, I would vote for snake for the main reason the commish mentioned - dedicated time. It's going to be difficult to find those many hours needed 4 times. Add in the fact that we have people on the other side of the world, there may be too much difficulty in finding a time we can all make, which is the most difficult part of setting up a draft. Saturday at 3pm for us would be a Sunday at like 10am for them.
If we can do it, I'm willing to give it a shot if we have a time we can all make, but our first goal should be securing a workable time for everyone, which an auction limits.
Glad OP got the conversation started.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 12:44:29 GMT
I personally prefer snake because that's what I've always done but I would not be opposed to doing a live auction draft if everyone is in favor of that. I agree it adds more complexity. My issue would be getting everyone organized for what would be a 4 or 5 hour affair at least. We've got a couple people from new Zealand as well which is something we have to consider. If we were in the same city and could actually all get together and do this I would have no reservations. I'll leave it up to discussion though. Hey Hey Hey, hope I am not getting lumped in with the New Zealanders. Those are fighting words to an Aussie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 15:21:31 GMT
I'm not against the idea of an auction draft. I think many of the points OP makes, especially #3, are very enticing. However, I would vote for snake for the main reason the commish mentioned - dedicated time. It's going to be difficult to find those many hours needed 4 times. Add in the fact that we have people on the other side of the world, there may be too much difficulty in finding a time we can all make, which is the most difficult part of setting up a draft. Saturday at 3pm for us would be a Sunday at like 10am for them. If we can do it, I'm willing to give it a shot if we have a time we can all make, but our first goal should be securing a workable time for everyone, which an auction limits. Glad OP got the conversation started. I think the concerns around ensuring our Aussie / NZ compradres are coordinated are very valid. I personally would be willing to lose a Saturday evening to this (I'm a loser though haha), say we start at 5:00 pm est, 12:00 Sunday there time. And hack it out for 5 hours (gonna need more than a 6 pack at that point). I would propose once we have all teams accounted for we start a thread documenting everyone's timezone (similar to the region post) and I would be happy to work with the comish to compile a poll of a few dates and times everyone could vote on. If after a few days its clear there's no consensus I would glady concede to to the snake draft format. Reasonable?
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Post by Dallas GM (naked) on Feb 17, 2016 21:24:34 GMT
Reasonable? Sure, and if that's the way we go, I certainly wouldn't complain. I think I can convince the lady to play fallout 4 for the evening.
That said, I would still prefer snake for the draft and leave the auction for free agency, personally. I find it easier and it is quicker.
I also like how our current contract rules play out for an initial draft. They allow for more fluidity come free agency. I'd rather make those high dollar decisions on free agents after I have an idea of what my team needs as opposed to during the initial draft. I understand for auction lovers, that's where a lot of the fun is - an effective strategy for a start up auction is a huge advantage.
I do concede that an auction would give a better sense of "real value" to players right out of the gate (which some may consider very important), and is arguably more fun if we have the time. However, I wonder about the league as a whole when we're trying to fill it with owners we don't know.
Going snake first evens the playing field for those inexperienced with auction initially, allows for more informed decisions during the offseason, and makes initial trades and acquisitions easier due to a lack of top heavy contracts. I think these points are valuable when keeping a league together during the initial stages, which can be difficult.
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Post by Dallas GM (naked) on Feb 17, 2016 21:26:05 GMT
Forgot to add, I'm all for a poll, however! There's certainly enough of a compelling reason to prefer auction if the LM agrees.
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Post by Milwaukee GM (Souriyo) on Feb 17, 2016 21:32:00 GMT
I am currently in favor of the initial snake draft followed by auction free agency (especially considering I have spent the last few hours trying to figure out ways to make initial salaries work and rules for extensions and free agency haha). I know you're into auction startup @jhouk40 and I do like certain aspects of it. I do see some people that prefer snake, so I hope that what I have in my mind for free agency will appease you some.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 23:52:24 GMT
I also think logistically an auction is just too difficult. If we want people to be committed to this league long term then people aren't going to be happy if their initial draft gets messed up because of a timing thing. It just seems to make the most sense
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 14:22:20 GMT
Sounds like I've been overruled on this one no worries, certainly doesn't make sense to make things difficult before the league even gets started, especially if we have newer owners. Appreciate the discussion!
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